P1: Christ paid the substitutionary price for our sins.
P2: Christ paid 3 days of physical and/or spiritual death.
P3: The price for our sins is 3 days of physical and/or spiritual death. (P1 & P2)
P4: Sinners can pay for their sins with 3 days of physical and/or spiritual death.
P5: Sinners remain damned even after 3 days of physical and/or spiritual death.
CONCLUSION: Jehovah cannot do math, is unjust, or is a myth. (P3 – P5)
Why do sinners remain separated from god after legitimately paying their 3 days of physical and/or spiritual deaths?
Filed under: Divine Innumeracy, apologetics, redemption, salvation, substitutionary
February 28, 2010 • 3:53 pm
P1: The penalty for Adam’s sin is Adam’s eternal damnation.
P2: Adam’s punishment for his sin could be paid for only by a sinless redeemer.
P3: Christ was sinless until he redeemed Adam by taking on Adam’s sin.
P4: Christ, having taken on Adam’s sin, is no longer a candidate sinless redeemer.
P5: Christ could not have paid for the sins of more than one human. (P1, P2, P3 & P4)
P6: There are billions of sinners in the world needing a sinless redeemer.
CONCLUSION: Christ did not pay for the sins of the whole world. (P5 & P6)
Christ had to die a human death to redeem humans. But Christ had only one human death to offer. And how could he have been resurrected after 3 days if the wages of the sins of those he came to redeem is a death longer than 3 days? Absurd.
Filed under: Divine Innumeracy, redeem, redemption, salvation, sin, soteriology
February 28, 2010 • 2:43 am
P1: A just god does not allow unjust suffering.
P2: Jehovah is a just god.
P3: Jehovah’s penalty for sinning entails suffering eternal damnation.
P4: Jehovah’s just penalty for sinning entails suffering eternal damnation. (P1 – P3)
P5: Christ was made human to redeemed sinners by paying the just penalty for sinning.
P6: Christ experienced, at most, 3 days of damnation.
P7: 3 days of damnation is less than the just eternal damnation sinners must suffer.
P8: Christ did not pay the just penalty for sinning. (P5 – P7)
CONCLUSION: Christ did not redeem sinners. (P4 & P8)
It’s tiring to hear all the various incoherent reasons offered for the arbitrary 3 days of Christ’s death, a pseudo-substitution for the sinner which falls far short of any coherent definition of the “wages of sin”.
Filed under: Divine Innumeracy, redemption, salvation, sin, soteriology